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viva venezuela! [Sep. 26th, 2007|11:33 pm]
8 or so bees in my bonnet
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[rex_the_runt] i have just seen a fantastic documentary about your country
[rex_the_runt] chavez: inside the coup
[rex_the_runt] it's amazing
(22:31) [RichardIII] You seem to be very interested in Venezuela
[rex_the_runt] hehe. yeah. but this doc rocks!
(22:32) [RichardIII] I haven´t seen it...is it about the coup of 1992 or is it about April 11?
[rex_the_runt] of course it has a liberal bias
[rex_the_runt] 2002
[rex_the_runt] the 48 hr coup
(22:33) [RichardIII] ok
[rex_the_runt] who do you trust?
(22:33) [RichardIII] did you know about 1992´s failed coup?
(22:34) [RichardIII] no one, actually
[rex_the_runt] no. please enlighten me
(22:35) [RichardIII] well, that year chavez was the leader of a failed coup
[rex_the_runt] ...and became a folk hero?
(22:35) [RichardIII] something like that
(22:36) [RichardIII] he spend some time in prision, but inexplicably received an indult
[rex_the_runt] indult?
(22:38) [RichardIII] amnesty
[rex_the_runt] ok
(22:38) [RichardIII] and now he is becoming the next Fidel Castro
(22:39) [RichardIII] Except... I think Castro is smarter
[rex_the_runt] i don't suppose the CIA were involved. LOL
[rex_the_runt] of course he is a powerful man with all the foibles that entails
[rex_the_runt] but seeing that doc i trust chavez' cabinet
[rex_the_runt] call it female intuition
(22:42) [RichardIII] I can show you some images of the coup
(22:42) [RichardIII] some videos in youtube
[rex_the_runt] so can i from a different angle
[rex_the_runt] CIA snipers on the rooftops?
(22:44) [RichardIII] No
(22:45) [RichardIII] I can give you my version of the coup
[rex_the_runt] please do
(22:47) [RichardIII] first, it is necessary to understand what was really happening those days
(22:48) [RichardIII] the government was under serious civilian pressure
(22:48) [RichardIII] national strikes, people marching in the streets
[rex_the_runt] from the middle class...
(22:49) [RichardIII] well, not all of them were from the middle class..
(22:49) [RichardIII] and
(22:49) [RichardIII] is not the middle class part of society?
(22:49) [RichardIII] well...the biggest march
[rex_the_runt] 20% of venezuelan society
(22:50) [RichardIII] was going to miraflores
(22:50) [RichardIII] actually is a little more than that
(22:50) [RichardIII] but it is irrelevant
(22:50) [RichardIII] that people was going to miraflores
[rex_the_runt] miraflores?
(22:51) [RichardIII] like the white house
[rex_the_runt] ok
(22:52) [RichardIII] well... what really happened that day is Chavez used the military forces to prevent that march from arriving to Miraflores
[rex_the_runt] but it did arrive!
(22:52) [RichardIII] there was a battle between the pro and anti chavez people
(22:52) [RichardIII] it didn´t
(22:52) [RichardIII] it came close
(22:53) [RichardIII] but it was shot down
(22:53) [RichardIII] I know it, because I was there
[rex_the_runt] or prevented from causing a riot
(22:53) [RichardIII] chavez people was armed and shooting to the people
(22:53) [RichardIII] march*
[rex_the_runt] if the two sides had met it would have been carnage
(22:54) [RichardIII] there was carnage
(22:54) [RichardIII] from both sides
[rex_the_runt] who the shooters were is debatable
(22:55) [RichardIII] there are pictures
[rex_the_runt] i have seen footage that proves chavezes case
(22:56) [RichardIII] what did you see
[rex_the_runt] the road the chavez supporters were firing on was deserted
[rex_the_runt] they were aiming for the snipers
(22:56) [RichardIII] well...
[rex_the_runt] see the film
(22:57) [RichardIII] you know...there is no one in jail for what happened that day
[rex_the_runt] all the generals fled to america
(22:58) [RichardIII] the Court here judged them
(22:58) [RichardIII] they were declared inocent
(22:58) [RichardIII] You know... You shouldn´t believe all the doc says
[rex_the_runt] of course. you shouldn't believe a fox news says
(22:59) [RichardIII] I don´t have fox news
[rex_the_runt] all
[rex_the_runt] cnnn
[rex_the_runt] whatever
(23:00) [RichardIII] those snipers
(23:00) [RichardIII] if there were any
[rex_the_runt] ...
(23:01) [RichardIII] it is not clear at all
(23:01) [RichardIII] those snipers were put there by the goverment
[rex_the_runt] it is clear the chavez supporters were not firing on the anti-chavez supporters
(23:02) [RichardIII] It is not clear at all
(23:02) [RichardIII] that ´s what the pro chavez doc says
[rex_the_runt] no it is clear. the street is empty
(23:03) [RichardIII] look...I was there...I had to run from the bullets
(23:03) [RichardIII] and I saw inocent people fall
[rex_the_runt] why would a guy with 80% popular support fire on people whose death would only cause him trouble?
(23:04) [RichardIII] try to answer that yourself
[rex_the_runt] you really need to see the film
(23:04) [RichardIII] he was under serious preasure
(23:05) [RichardIII] s
(23:05) [RichardIII] imagine a fully efective national strike
[rex_the_runt] you have been lied to
(23:05) [RichardIII] No
(23:06) [RichardIII] You have been lied to...after all, you are from a different country...you have no idea what latinamerica is all about
[rex_the_runt] how many private tv channels are there in venezuala?
(23:07) [RichardIII] right now?
(23:07) [RichardIII] three, chavez has two
(23:07) [RichardIII] but two of those three are censured
[rex_the_runt] in what way?
(23:08) [RichardIII] they weren´t at the time of the coup
(23:08) [RichardIII] but the truth is...Chavez spends more time in national TV that anybody
[rex_the_runt] i think thats a good thing
[rex_the_runt] how do i reach my people?
(23:09) [RichardIII] is certainly a good thing for him
(23:09) [RichardIII] he sure knows how to invest in propaganda
[rex_the_runt] of the tv station was the key to the coup aswell
(23:10) [RichardIII] why? simply for showing the people marching?
[rex_the_runt] erm.. yes
[rex_the_runt] the private tv station weren't showing it
(23:11) [RichardIII] no, that was afterwards
(23:11) [RichardIII] april 12 and 13
[rex_the_runt] after they realised they had lost
(23:12) [RichardIII] yes, they should have
(23:12) [RichardIII] any way...chavez overstimates his popularity
(23:12) [RichardIII] overestimates*
[rex_the_runt] i'm not calling him an angel
(23:12) [RichardIII] he is a demon
(23:12) [RichardIII] actually
[rex_the_runt] if you're middle class....
(23:13) [RichardIII] if you are poor as well
(23:13) [RichardIII] you know..the situation for the poor hasn´t improved a bit
(23:14) [RichardIII] they have faith in Chavez
(23:14) [RichardIII] but he has done nothing to improved their situation
(23:14) [RichardIII] improve*
[rex_the_runt] i despute that
(23:14) [RichardIII] Well, it´s easy for you
(23:15) [RichardIII] you should visit a hospital in Caracas
[rex_the_runt] healthcare and education are way up
(23:15) [RichardIII] not really
[rex_the_runt] us sanctions perhaps?
(23:15) [RichardIII] not a single one
(23:16) [RichardIII] In fact, for all he talks about Bush
(23:16) [RichardIII] the revolution is being done with Bush cash
[rex_the_runt] how ironic
[rex_the_runt] the man that tried to dipose him
(23:17) [RichardIII] And Venezuela´s industry is falling
(23:17) [RichardIII] venezuelan*
(23:18) [RichardIII] we have to import almost everything
(23:18) [RichardIII] milk, eggs, chicken n
[rex_the_runt] well i'm a vegetarian so...
(23:19) [RichardIII] maybe you should live here!
(23:19) [RichardIII] the weather is perfect
[rex_the_runt] how's your rainforest doing?
(23:19) [RichardIII] and Caracas is actually a nice city, though quite insecure
(23:20) [RichardIII] Beatiful women, nice weather, the tallest waterfall in the world,
[rex_the_runt] nice
(23:21) [RichardIII] yeah, come and enjoy the revolution
[rex_the_runt] it's on my itinery after costa rica
(23:22) [RichardIII] just be careful in Caracas...
(23:22) [RichardIII] Is not safe at all
[rex_the_runt] ...
(23:22) [RichardIII] You should go to Margarita
[rex_the_runt] ok
(23:24) [RichardIII] pardon my english
(23:25) [RichardIII] I am going, bye bye
(23:14) [RichardIII] they have faith in Chavez
(23:14) [RichardIII] but he has done nothing to improved their situation
(23:14) [RichardIII] improve*
[rex_the_runt] i despute that
(23:14) [RichardIII] Well, it´s easy for you
(23:15) [RichardIII] you should visit a hospital in Caracas
[rex_the_runt] healthcare and education are way up
(23:15) [RichardIII] not really
[rex_the_runt] us sanctions perhaps?
(23:15) [RichardIII] not a single one
(23:16) [RichardIII] In fact, for all he talks about Bush
(23:16) [RichardIII] the revolution is being done with Bush cash
[rex_the_runt] how ironic
[rex_the_runt] the man that tried to dipose him
(23:17) [RichardIII] And Venezuela´s industry is falling
(23:17) [RichardIII] venezuelan*
(23:18) [RichardIII] we have to import almost everything
(23:18) [RichardIII] milk, eggs, chicken
[rex_the_runt] well i'm a vegetarian so...
(23:19) [RichardIII] maybe you should live here!
(23:19) [RichardIII] the weather is perfect
[rex_the_runt] how's your rainforest doing?
(23:19) [RichardIII] and Caracas is actually a nice city, though quite insecure
(23:20) [RichardIII] Beatiful women, nice weather, the tallest waterfall in the world,
[rex_the_runt] nice
(23:21) [RichardIII] yeah, come and enjoy the revolution
[rex_the_runt] it's on my itinery after costa rica
(23:22) [RichardIII] just be careful in Caracas...
(23:22) [RichardIII] Is not safe at all
[rex_the_runt] ...
(23:22) [RichardIII] You should go to Margarita
[rex_the_runt] ok
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[User Picture]From: mystix
2007-10-02 10:20 am (UTC)

Entirely Off-Topic

http://community.livejournal.com/chemicalwhores/2667630.html?view=28400238#t28400238

Please help me defend LJ against the judgmental knobheads! Compassionate drug users must outweigh the idiots. Restore my faith in druggies! ;)

Again entirely off-topic - I just bought 'Rex The Runt' on DVD. Ahh, I love it.
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